Siobhan, we all get your anti abortion which is fine, but not fine for the women that come on here asking for advise of women that have all shared or about to share the same experience. we don't need some one like you making us feel any worse about our decision any more than we do. we don't just see were pregnant then run off and have abortions! its a long, hard and some times frightening decision for us. and all we want is a little support, and that is what this forum is for. so could you please you stop coming on to this site and making things harder. we don't want to hear peoples nasty views. so please just leave this forum alone if you have nothing helpful to say! can i just ask you one question... did you ever read bout the 16 year old girl that was raped by her own dad and had 3 children by him that were all born with genetically defects? do you think she should have kept those children too? if you say yes your a very disturbed women.

I understand everybody is entatled to there view but this is a site for women who are trying to gather support from other women who can realate to the experience, It is not appropriate to come in and push your point of view on pro life. I've been the women on here today who are feeling incredibly fragile and just need a place to let it out to people who understand where they are.

Creating scenarios of babes in arms 'angles, cherubs and everything eles ' is just unfair and almost cruel. im sure some people have found her and other pro peples advice very good as they have obviously themselves always just wanted somebody to confirm to them that they wnted that life. Im not sure that the frightened or grieving women need this shoved down thier throats when all we all really need is just listeners.

SAM XX

im sitting on the fence with this one, i have read a few comments which maybe were a little short and abrupt and i have read others which are supportive.

is Siobhan being nasty? This is a public forum and so everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Yes I am also pro life and I have total admiration for what Siobhan does. What is wrong with getting someone to see another point of view? People have a choice whether to take her advice or not.

I am so fed up of Siobhan being pickeded on.

Hayley x

leave siobhan alone!

this is a public forum not a witch hunt. everyone is entitled to their opinion and to post it on a public forum!!

so what does siobhan do? does she phsically come to your abortion clinic and drag you out kicking and screaming? NO. she tries to save a baby. a baby that has arms and legs and a wee beating heart. some people are grateful for her advise and some people aren't. if you dont want her advise, dont read her posts, simple as that.

siobhan, keep your chin up, u do have some supporters

right ok
maby every one can start every thread for eg help please APART FROM SIOBHAN, not every one is gunna get round to blacklistin her are they? and still even when reeding another thread and you come across sumat its not nice as i posted in my comment b4. and id also like to point out its not just siobhan!!!
we will do whats best for us what ever that may be but we do not need heavy handed views forced on us.
what if i turned up on your doorstep preaching about paganism? u would tell me to do one even though i have the so called right to tell you!
like i said before i realy dont get the pro life concept it realy is just backwards!

in reply, u dont have the right to preach anything to me on my doorstep because you'd be trespassing on my private property. on public transport i could listen or walk away, in a public house i could listen or walk away, on a public forum u can read or not read.

i can appreciate that it must be a pretty horrific experience to go through. my 1st was an accident and the timing and circumstances were so wrong. even my mum suggested i had an abortion but i couldn't even contemplate it. not for religious or political reasons but i just couldn't have killed my baby because that is what it is. maybe harsh words but the truth hurts. my mother has since apologised for asking me because if i had done what she wanted she wouldn't have her wonderful granddaughter.

its true that everyones circumstances are different but unless there are serious health repercussions for mother or baby i cant condone it. if women dont feel they can cope with a baby for whatever reason, put s/he up for adoption and give a couple that CANT have children a chance of a family.

everyones different. everyone has different opinions about whats right or wrong but in saying that everyone has a right to express their opinions here without being slated for it

well then dont i have the right to express my opions also without be slated for it?
like i said i am not against pro life i just dont know how you can justify the concept honestly realy not getting at you but you said you could only condone it if there were serious health repercusions? so i cant understand how that fits into the pro life concept?
and if some one had a termination due to facing sever health problems and came on here looking for advice i cant think she would like to read she killed her baby or come across harsh comments?

i didn't realise i was slating you? i was only giving my opinion about abortion. as i said it must be a terrible thing to go through. the point i was trying to make is having no money/too young/no partner or whatever other reason i dont think is reason for an abortion.

the other point i have been trying to make is its a public forum and everyone is entitled to give their opinions no matter what their beliefs are and that siobhan should not be treated the way she has been for what SHE believes is right

hi1234 posts kinda sums up my responce to that answer (2 posts down) shes got a valid point!
i belive my views are right , but if i was heavy handed with them wouldnt i be being "picked on"?

" hayley"

well said, it is public forum and everyone can have their say. When i read about folk picking on siobhan, i wonder did i miss something on the rules bit that you cant have your own opinion and express them. She has saved babies lives and it takes alot to do that. She should be proud of that.
If you dont like Siobhan then dont read her comments, i have to say that is common sense.
I am fed up with her being picked on too.
Lis

How come when Siobhan expresses her extremist views its cool and "everyone has a right to an opinion", but when someone disagrees we are accused of picking on her. Surely thats a contradiction...
If she is offending people, why cant people express their views about it..?

yes it is a public forum, i dont think she is being nasty but some of here comments realy dont help make the situations of aboritve woman any better, i personaly am pro choice, which is my given right if i choose to accept it. one of siobhans comments from another post was (asleep or awake you will still be killing your baby) how can a comment like that help any one?
we dont need peoples religious or political views shoved doen our necks coz to be quite honest to them were all going to hell and the rest of it! i am not againt pro lifers but it is a hard decision and we all have are reasons for termination and we dont need comments that make us crap, we do need support and some ppl on this forum do try and give us a wrap round the knuckles even after we have done it and are feeling fragile anyway.
we are not activly out trying to concive and using abortion as a form of birth control,
and poppet has a point if a young girl got pregnant and her pearents were pro life and made her keep the baby and she couldnt/didnt cope what sort of life does this young girl have shel miss her childhood all because people gave more recontion to a bunch of cells then they did her? how is that then pro life?
would your rather abortive woman go back street and end up dieing? how is that pro life?
what if having a baby would lead the mother to grave illness or death or seaver mental problems? is it still pro life?
(sorry i realy dont have any thing againt pro lifers even if it sounds like im slagging you off)
i realy just dont undersand how you can call yourself pro life when it takes away from another persons.

but siobhan isnt being very fair her heavy handed way of trying to stop girls of terminating is wrong its not right to call someone a murderer ,the absolute crap on the website link she tells people to visit is horrid ,just out of interest i went on it the other day and i couldnt believe my eyes apparently because i had a abortion two years ago the baby im now carrying is more likely to die in the last three months of its first year ,now i dont get how that can be true because a medical procedure that took place two years ago can not have any effect on this baby esp once its out of the womb ,to me its just a bunch of deluded desperate people grasping at anything to make people do what they want ,even if that means making people to scared to think with their own minds ,im not saying its wrong to be pro life thats your choice but it is wrong to force that on others

Sorry now I just have to respond.

1. I never called anybody a murderer, please tell me specifically where I wrote that.

2. The thing about your baby dying in the last 3 months of its first year, what is all that about?, which link are your refering to?.

Siobhan

I dont feel siobhan is harsh at all, she is realistic.I had an abortion yesterday-my own choice.When i came to this board i fully expected there to be 'for's and against's' otherwise why post?We come here to get opinions, if we were all SURE in our own minds before we came here, then we would have no need for this site....we can rest easy on our own decision.Fact is we all waver, if even slightly.
I had another abortion 12yrs ago, and i went into that thinking it would be all over in one day....it wasnt, it still isnt, i never expected to feel the grief, emotions, guilt that i did.Siobhan merely is truthfull, she alerts you to the cold hard truth,believe me its easier to make a decision without the wool pulled over our eyes, because afterwards its too late for regret.
She offers other options, maybe some that a few people havent themselves thought of.We are of course foggy and confused when we are under this stress.She offered me help knowing i wasnt in the same country, infact i live 12,000 miles away....i came here, googling in my desperation.I made my own choice, not what i wanted, but i can be at peace with it, in my own way.
Yes, sometimes to hear the word killing, etc is hard to hear....but if we are all truthfull with ourselves it does enter our own heads, even if only for a split second,before, afterwards.
We are all in charge of our own lives,our own choices...no one else has to live with the consequences but ourselves....i am all for choice.

hi there

i've read a few of siobahn's posts and they aren't all horrible. She replied to me and it was quite nice to have someone talk like i could actually have my baby.

However i think it is important to be very very careful when posting anything on this forum. there are lots of sensitive people on here. It is obvious to me who would NOT benefit from pro life advice.

my advice to siobahn would be to make more positive, supportive suggestions. and to make sure that they are only suggestions, not instructions.


To any one who is just on here to make people feel worse, its not helpful. I visited some pro life websites myself. If people want a pro life opinion they'll come looking for it.

thanks

hi,


I don`t want to attack siobahn or anyone else out there being pro life, but i must say that there are some of us that are just sick and tired of being patronised by people like this. There are REASONS why we`ve made those deciosions. So what are wen called now, anti-life? NO! I didn`t agree with abortion eider, until I was facing making a should I keep it/should I not decision. And thank God there`s a choice for us. Thank God we can decide whether of not to keep a foetus. How about all those women out there having 4-5 kids already and being pregnant again? Should they not be given a choice?

Not having my child hurt a lot, but that was my decision and that was the best decision I could make given the curcumstances.

So, all of you anti-abortion people out there, I respect your opinions, but please don`t patronise us unless you`re listing some sites that offer free childcare, financial help during and after pregnancy or JOBS FOR PREGNANT WOMEN! I can tell you from experience I could not get a job when I was pregnant with my son. So before you judge us, have a look at our society that doesn`t really support pregnant women much!

Thank you

b